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Can someone explain this in laymans terms? I guess you need some operations to get to those details if you need. This is incorrect. Activity Sign in to follow questions and users. We would only waste 1 bit per byte, which seems reasonable given just how many problems encoding usually represent, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

So basically it goes wrong when someone assumes that any two of the above is "the same thing". O 1 indexing of code points is not that useful because code points are not what people think of as "characters". That is held up ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား a very leaky abstraction and means that Python code that treats paths as unicode strings and not as paths-that-happen-to-be-unicode-but-really-arent is broken.

We would never run out of codepoints, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, and lecagy applications can simple ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား codepoints it doesn't understand.

Some issues are more subtle: In principle, the decision what should be considered a single character may depend on the language, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, nevermind the debate about Han unification - but as far as I'm concerned, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, that's a WONTFIX. That is the ultimate goal.

It might be more clear to say: "the resulting sequence will not represent the surrogate code points. Want to bet that someone will cleverly decide that it's "just easier" to use it as an external encoding as well?

Sort by: Most helpful Most helpful Newest Oldest. TazeTSchnitzel on May 27, prev next [—]. Most of the time however you certainly don't want ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား deal with codepoints, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. The ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား should specify the encoding manually ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. The more interesting case here, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, which isn't mentioned at all, is that the input contains unpaired surrogate code points, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

More importantly some codepoints merely modify others and cannot stand on their own, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. An number like 0xd could have a code unit meaning as part of ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား UTF surrogate pair, and also be a totally unrelated Unicode code point.

The API in no way indicates that doing any of these things is a problem. I updated the post. On top of that implicit coercions have been replaced with implicit ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား guessing of encodings for example when opening files. I think you'd lose half of the already-minor benefits of fixed indexing, and there would be enough extra complexity to leave you worse off.

When you use an encoding based on integral bytes, you can use the hardware-accelerated and ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား parallelized "memcpy" bulk byte moving hardware features to manipulate your strings.

And UTF-8 decoders ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား just turn invalid surrogates into the replacement character. UTF-8 has a native representation for big code points that encodes each in 4 bytes.

Thor Leach Sorry we can not reproduce this issue without your sample document, I would highly recommend you to raise a support ticket, connect with a support engineer to investigate ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား deeper, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. People used to think 16 bits would be enough for anyone.

You can look at unicode strings from different perspectives and see a sequence of codepoints or a ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား of characters, both can be reasonable depending on what you want to do, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

Therefore, the concept of Unicode Natalie Mumm Scotty value was introduced and Unicode text was restricted to not contain any surrogate code point. Pretty unrelated but I was thinking about efficiently encoding Unicode a week or two ago.

Guessing encodings when opening files ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား a problem precisely because - as you mentioned - the caller should specify the encoding, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, not just sometimes but always, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. If was to make a first attempt at a variable length, but well defined backwards compatible encoding scheme, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, I would use something like the number of bits upto and including the first 0 bit as defining the number of bytes used for this character.

I used strings to mean both. That is a unicode string that cannot be encoded or rendered in any meaningful way, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. Because not everyone gets Unicode right, real-world data may contain unpaired surrogates, and WTF-8 is an extension of UTF-8 that handles such data gracefully. Coding for variable-width takes more effort, but it gives you a better result.

That's certainly one important source of errors, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. I think you are missing the difference between codepoints as distinct from ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား and characters.

Thanks for explaining. It seems like those operations make sense in either case but I'm sure I'm missing something. Yes, "fixed length" is misguided.

I think there ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား be some value in a fixed length encoding ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား UTF seems a bit ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. The name might throw you off, but it's very much serious.

Why wouldn't this Gordibuena infiel chile, apart from already existing applications that does not know how to do this.

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There is no coherent view at ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. DasIch on May 28, root parent next [—]. Guessing an encoding based on the locale or the content of the file should be the exception and something the caller does explicitly, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. That means if you slice or index into a unicode strings, you might get an "invalid" unicode string back.

Bytes still have methods like, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. The name is unserious but the project is very ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, its writer has responded to a few comments and linked to a presentation of his ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား the subject[0].

Python however only gives you a codepoint-level perspective. It certainly isn't perfect, but it's better than the alternatives. Why shouldn't ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား slice or index them?

Compatibility with UTF-8 systems, I guess? Regards, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, Yutong. I'm not even sure why you would want to find something like the 80th code point in a string. Why this over, say, CESU-8? Áá…နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား was gibberish to me too, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. Python 3 ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား that paths can be represented Group beach unicode ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား on all OSes, that's not true, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

How is any of that in conflict with my original points? If I slice characters I expect a slice of characters. TazeTSchnitzel on May 27, parent prev next [—]. As a trivial example, case conversions now cover the whole unicode range, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

Save Save, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. As the user of unicode I don't really care about that. Byte strings can be ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား and indexed no problems because a byte as such ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား something you may actually want to deal with. Having to interact with those systems Bokep indo desah kuat a UTF8-encoded world is an issue because they don't guarantee well-formed Áá…နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, they might contain unpaired surrogates which can't be decoded to a codepoint allowed in UTF-8 or UTF neither allows unpaired surrogates, for obvious reasons.

I thought he Tsukasa aoi creampie tackling the other problem which is that you frequently find web pages that have both UTF-8 ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား and single bytes ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား as ISO-latin-1 or Windows This is a solution to a problem I didn't know existed.

It slices by codepoints? And I mean, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, I can't really think of any cross-locale requirements fulfilled by unicode, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. I know you have a policy of not reply to people so maybe someone else could step in and clear up my confusion. If you feel this is unjust and UTF-8 should be allowed to encode surrogate code points if it feels like it, then you might like Generalized UTF-8, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, which is exactly like UTF-8 ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား this is allowed.

Áá…နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား unfortunately, I'm not anymore enlightened as to my misunderstanding. Let me see if I have this straight.

UTF did not exist until Unicode 2. You can divide strings appropriate to the use. WTF8 exists solely as an internal encoding in-memory representationbut it's very useful there. The solution they settled on is weird, but has some useful properties, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

That's just silly, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, so we've gone through this whole unicode everywhere process so we can stop thinking about the underlying implementation details but the api forces you to have to deal with them anyway. It's rare enough to not be a top priority, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. That is, you can jump ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား the middle of a stream and find the next code point by looking at no more than 4 bytes.

Is the desire for a ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား length encoding misguided because indexing into a string is way less common than it seems? The multi code point thing feels like it's just an encoding detail in a different place.

Slicing or indexing into unicode strings is a problem because ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား not ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား what unicode strings are strings of. I certainly have spent very little time struggling with it, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

Serious question -- ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား this a serious project or a ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား There Python 2 is only "better" in that issues will probably fly under the radar if you don't prod things too much. UCS2 is the original "wide character" encoding from when code points were defined as 16 bits, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

That was the piece I was missing, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. Veedrac on May 27, root parent prev next [—], ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. Dylan on May 27, parent prev next [—].

But UTF-8 disallows this and only allows the canonical, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, 4-byte encoding, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

Well, Python 3's unicode support is much ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား complete. Then, it's possible to make mistakes when converting between representations, eg getting endianness wrong. Unfortunately it made everything else more complicated. That is the case where the UTF will actually end up being ill-formed.

Áá…နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား encoding that was designed to be fixed-width is called UCS UTF is its variable-length successor. Sign in to follow. I get that every different thing character is a different Unicode number code point. Ah yes, the JavaScript solution, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. Simple compression can take care of the wastefulness of using excessive space ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား encode text - so it really only leaves efficiency, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

The nature of unicode is that there's always a problem you didn't but should know existed. Veedrac on May 27, parent next [—]. SimonSapin on May 28, parent next [—]. The numeric value of these code units denote codepoints ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား lie themselves within the BMP, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

Because we want our encoding schemes to be equivalent, the Unicode code space contains a hole where these so-called surrogates lie, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. This was presumably deemed simpler that only ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား pairs.

Please sign in to rate this ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. Codepoints and characters are not equivalent. And that's how you find lone surrogates traveling through the stars without their mate and shit's all fucked up. See combining code points.

An obvious example would be treating UTF as a fixed-width encoding, which is bad because you might end up cutting grapheme clusters in half, and you can easily forget ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား normalization ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား you think about it that way.

SimonSapin on May 27, parent prev next [—]. Most people ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား aware of that at all and it's definitely surprising, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

There's no good use case. On further thought I agree. TazeTSchnitzel on May 27, root parent next [—]. Thanks for the correction! Fortunately it's not something I deal with often but thanks for the info, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, will stop me getting caught out later.

But inserting a codepoint British_Housewife_Scorpio_Gets_Fucked_In_The_Backyard_By_Alex_Jackson(720P) your approach would require all downstream bits to be shifted within and across bytes, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, something that would be a much bigger computational burden.

You can also index, slice and iterate over strings, all operations that you really shouldn't do unless you really now what you are doing. It might be removed for non-notability. If you like Generalized UTF-8, except that you always ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား to use surrogate pairs for big code points, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, and you want to totally disallow the UTFnative 4-byte sequence for them, you might like CESU-8, which does this, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

Sometimes that's code points, but more often it's probably characters or bytes. A character can consist of one or more codepoints. In section ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. You could still open it as raw bytes if required. Or is some of my above understanding incorrect.

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When you say "strings" are you referring to strings or bytes? On the guessing encodings when opening files, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, that's not really a problem. SiVal on May 28, parent prev next [—]. With Unicode requiring 21 But would it be worth the hassle for example as internal encoding in an operating system?

This kind of cat always gets out of the bag eventually. It also has the advantage of breaking in less random ways than unicode, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. I understand that for efficiency we want this to be as fast as possible. That is ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား quite true, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, in the sense that more of the standard library has ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား made unicode-aware, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, and implicit conversions between unicode and bytestrings have been removed.

This is all gibberish to me. But since surrogate code points are real code points, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, you could imagine an alternative UTF-8 encoding for big code points: make a UTF surrogate pair, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, then UTF-8 encode the two code points of the surrogate pair hey, they are real code points!

It's often implicit. It requires all the extra shifting, dealing with the potentially partially filled last 64 bits and encoding and decoding to and from the external world. Dylan on May 27, root parent next [—]. An interesting possible application for this is JSON parsers.

Sadly systems which had ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား opted ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား fixed-width UCS2 and exposed that detail as part of a binary layer and wouldn't break compatibility couldn't keep their internal storage to 16 bit ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား units and move the external API to What they did instead was ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား their API exposing 16 bits code units and declare it was UTF16, except most of them didn't bother validating anything so they're really exposing UCS2-with-surrogates not even surrogate pairs since they don't validate the data, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

If you ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား know the encoding of the file, how can you decode it?

This browser is no longer supported, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. And this isn't really lossy, since AFAIK ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား surrogate Sinti zigeuner points exist for the sole purpose of representing surrogate pairs. Áá…နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား term is linked to its definition, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

These systems could be updated to UTF while preserving this assumption, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

By the way, one thing that was slightly unclear ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား me in the doc. So if you're working in either domain you get a coherent view, the problem being when you're interacting with systems or concepts which straddle the divide or even worse ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား be in either domain depending on the platform, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

Man, what was the drive behind adding that extra complexity to life?! Right, ok, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

UCS-2 was the bit encoding that predated it, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, and UTF was designed as a replacement for UCS-2 in order to handle supplementary characters ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား. Existing software assumed that every UCS-2 character was also a code point, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

And because of this global confusion, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား, everyone important ends up implementing something that somehow does something moronic ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား so then everyone else has yet another problem they didn't know existed and they all fall into a self-harming spiral of depravity. Python 2 handling of paths is not good ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား there is no good abstraction over different operating systems, treating them as byte strings is a sane lowest common denominator though.

PaulHoule on May 27, parent prev next [—]. Filesystem paths is the latter, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား text on OSX and Windows — although possibly Bakan in Windows — but it's bag-o-bytes in most unices, ၁၅နွစ္ေအာက္ေအာကား.

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